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Its a sad reality of our times that complexities have spared no effort to make our lives hellish. Amid such troubled happenings, religious and spiritual beliefs have helped us to retain bonds with bliss and peace.They have kept our hearts and minds remain intact. I am of the opinion that spiritual beliefs are better than anti-depressants.At least, they are not costly besides being devoid of side-effects.
These spiritual beliefs may or may not be supported by scientific and logical reasoning but they do have the ability to heal the fuming mind.They form the epicenter in a man, who has struck deep bonds with happiness and contentment.Its now certain that a man in league with spiritual beliefs is much happier than a man in league with earthly possessions.
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arvind
Don’t call these as spiritual beliefs. It is just an effort to find out the time for resting the mind. If we can find that time without correlating it with spiritualism, it is better.
Don’t call these as spiritual beliefs. It is just an effort to find out the time for resting the mind. If we can find that time without correlating it with spiritualism, it is better.
(Local Perspectives)
@Gibson
O, be some other name! What’s in a name? that which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet;
O, be some other name! What’s in a name? that which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet;
(Local Perspectives)
”Amid such troubled happenings, religious and spiritual beliefs have helped us to retain bonds with bliss and peace.”
Yep, ignorance is bliss!
Superstition is the biggest danger in the world today. Instead of reinforcing it, the media should expose and ridicule it. It is time to pick up the curriculum followed at the time of Socrates, logic, reason, rhetoric, sophistry, etc. People don’t know HOW to think, so they just think what ever someone tells them to think. So much progress in human evolution has been stymied by superstitious dogma, that we will never catch up.
Yep, ignorance is bliss!
Superstition is the biggest danger in the world today. Instead of reinforcing it, the media should expose and ridicule it. It is time to pick up the curriculum followed at the time of Socrates, logic, reason, rhetoric, sophistry, etc. People don’t know HOW to think, so they just think what ever someone tells them to think. So much progress in human evolution has been stymied by superstitious dogma, that we will never catch up.
(Global Perspectives)
@Nuya
Thanks for spending your precious moments in reading the article.I agree with your view that there should be no place for ”superstitions” in progressive world present times.Bliss arising out of ignorance must be shattered by promoting logic ,reason etc..
I don’t know what Western world thinks about Indian spirituality or Hindu religion but I wish to inform Nuya and others that our brand of spirituality has always honoured rationality.Hindu religion(Sanatana Dharma) has never been against human evolution.
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Presenting excerpts from Radahakrisnan’s book Eastern Religions And Western Thoughts :
” A spiritual as distinct from a dogmatic view of life remains unaffected by the advance of science and criticism of history.Religion generally refers to something external, a system of sanctions and consolations, while spirituality points to the need for knowing and living in the highest self and raising life in all its parts.Spirituality is the core of religion and its inward essence, and mysticism emphasizes this side of religion ”
(From Page 61)
”Religion in the mystic sense is not a mere speculation of reason or a feeling of dependence or a mode of behaviour. It is something entire self is, feels and does;it is the concurrent activity of thoughts, feelings,and will.It satisfies the logical demand for abiding certainty,the aesthetic longing for repose, and the ethical desire for perfection.In the great mystics,the Rishis(seers) of the Upanisads, Buddha Samkara, and hundreds of others,holiness and learning ,purity of soul , and penetration of understanding are fused in an harmonious whole ”
(From page 63)
Thanks for spending your precious moments in reading the article.I agree with your view that there should be no place for ”superstitions” in progressive world present times.Bliss arising out of ignorance must be shattered by promoting logic ,reason etc..
I don’t know what Western world thinks about Indian spirituality or Hindu religion but I wish to inform Nuya and others that our brand of spirituality has always honoured rationality.Hindu religion(Sanatana Dharma) has never been against human evolution.
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Presenting excerpts from Radahakrisnan’s book Eastern Religions And Western Thoughts :
” A spiritual as distinct from a dogmatic view of life remains unaffected by the advance of science and criticism of history.Religion generally refers to something external, a system of sanctions and consolations, while spirituality points to the need for knowing and living in the highest self and raising life in all its parts.Spirituality is the core of religion and its inward essence, and mysticism emphasizes this side of religion ”
(From Page 61)
”Religion in the mystic sense is not a mere speculation of reason or a feeling of dependence or a mode of behaviour. It is something entire self is, feels and does;it is the concurrent activity of thoughts, feelings,and will.It satisfies the logical demand for abiding certainty,the aesthetic longing for repose, and the ethical desire for perfection.In the great mystics,the Rishis(seers) of the Upanisads, Buddha Samkara, and hundreds of others,holiness and learning ,purity of soul , and penetration of understanding are fused in an harmonious whole ”
(From page 63)
(Local Perspectives)
From what I have seen, most of them don’t have any room to think anything of other people’s superstitions. If you ever saw traffic jam because some idiots think they see the face of Jesus in a knot hole in a fence, yo would know what I mean. The pickpockets and beggars and charlatans swarm all over such events.
People are always trying to make religion something it isn’t.. useful, relevant, logical, rational etc.
People are always trying to make religion something it isn’t.. useful, relevant, logical, rational etc.
(Global Perspectives)
@Nuya
Yes, I agree that all sorts of wrong people have entered in the domain of religion.But that should not be an excuse in ignoring the better sides of religion.The mistake which Nuya you are committing is that you are taking in account religion as viewed through eyes of wrong people.
You are ignoring views of people who have analyzed various aspects of religion in painstaking manner.You don’t realize that best and authentic way of knowing any issue is to get knowledge about that issue from experts in that area.What’s the point in knowing about it from chosen fools ? Plz don’t be swayed by the versions of ignorant if you are not interested in treating ”ignorance” as ” bliss” !!
Yes, I agree that all sorts of wrong people have entered in the domain of religion.But that should not be an excuse in ignoring the better sides of religion.The mistake which Nuya you are committing is that you are taking in account religion as viewed through eyes of wrong people.
You are ignoring views of people who have analyzed various aspects of religion in painstaking manner.You don’t realize that best and authentic way of knowing any issue is to get knowledge about that issue from experts in that area.What’s the point in knowing about it from chosen fools ? Plz don’t be swayed by the versions of ignorant if you are not interested in treating ”ignorance” as ” bliss” !!
(Local Perspectives)
Those so called experts are working from a biased position, they change the facts to fit their world view, it is called sophistry.
In the beginning, religion was used to explain natural phenomenon like sunset and changing tides. Huge birds gobbled up the sun and chariot drivers chased the moon. Then people matured a little and the stories changed. Then it was used to have some control over nature, like praying for rain. Then as control over life and death so an afterlife was added. After awhile it was used to control not only nature but behavior as well and heaven and hell were added.
Finally, when many of the mysteries of nature were being solved by the Greeks and the old Gods were being exposed, a new God had to be invented, because the clerics of old were losing their control and their power and wealth.
Religion is a tool, it is and has been used for good and and ill since the dawn of mankind. If you remove the tool then you force mankind to finally take responsibility for its actions.
In the beginning, religion was used to explain natural phenomenon like sunset and changing tides. Huge birds gobbled up the sun and chariot drivers chased the moon. Then people matured a little and the stories changed. Then it was used to have some control over nature, like praying for rain. Then as control over life and death so an afterlife was added. After awhile it was used to control not only nature but behavior as well and heaven and hell were added.
Finally, when many of the mysteries of nature were being solved by the Greeks and the old Gods were being exposed, a new God had to be invented, because the clerics of old were losing their control and their power and wealth.
Religion is a tool, it is and has been used for good and and ill since the dawn of mankind. If you remove the tool then you force mankind to finally take responsibility for its actions.
(Global Perspectives)
@Nuya
”Those so called experts are working from a biased position”
That’s easy way to ignore the reality,to turn a blind eye to greater truth.Well,if anyone is interested in hailing broad daylight as night I cannot but allow that individual to retain his/her ignorance.
Wish to inform you that I also hate so-called experts !! What you have stated here is plain generalization.Well, I have read ancient scriptures and I find that there has always been a very well developed philosophy ,not limited to explain ’natural phenomenon like sunset and changing tides,to explain the mysteries of nature.If there can be change in scientific theories with new set of observations then why can’t religious phenomenons be upgraded to suit the times ? The law of change applies on religious theories as well.
All the experts are not biased.If you think so then that’s simply absurd thought.
”Those so called experts are working from a biased position”
That’s easy way to ignore the reality,to turn a blind eye to greater truth.Well,if anyone is interested in hailing broad daylight as night I cannot but allow that individual to retain his/her ignorance.
Wish to inform you that I also hate so-called experts !! What you have stated here is plain generalization.Well, I have read ancient scriptures and I find that there has always been a very well developed philosophy ,not limited to explain ’natural phenomenon like sunset and changing tides,to explain the mysteries of nature.If there can be change in scientific theories with new set of observations then why can’t religious phenomenons be upgraded to suit the times ? The law of change applies on religious theories as well.
All the experts are not biased.If you think so then that’s simply absurd thought.
(Local Perspectives)
Arvind
Your missing a very important point
A nut is a nut and to keep the shell on the nut you sometimes have to use some outside force or nut pills
Religon or not ,humans are an imperfect piece of soft tissue and as such there will always be those who need outside force to control the outside of the nut
Now i hope that this article was an observation ,because if not your showing your cultural brainwashing — and that ok because only 1 in 1 billion escape
Your missing a very important point
A nut is a nut and to keep the shell on the nut you sometimes have to use some outside force or nut pills
Religon or not ,humans are an imperfect piece of soft tissue and as such there will always be those who need outside force to control the outside of the nut
Now i hope that this article was an observation ,because if not your showing your cultural brainwashing — and that ok because only 1 in 1 billion escape
(Global Perspectives)
@Wayne
At some point of life all views are merely observations.Or ,for that matter, all theories are essence of certain observations.What Wayne is telling is also a certain observation !!
Anyway,strange things are taking place on Instablogs.The arguments given are not in tune with the subject matter.Here too I feel that readers have missed the point I wish to convey.I am merely stating that instead of spending life’s best years in some psychiatric ward, taking anti-depressant pills, isn’t it better that we live a peaceful life with beliefs that give rise to better state of mind.What’s the point in becoming part of rat race to be at the top ?
What’s the point in having king size egos that only crushes dignity and self respect of others in brutal manner ? The road to success in our times means end of possibilities of many other talented souls.If we start treating money as to be God or ultimate goal then be sure you are opening the gates mental hospital !!!
In my eyes such a mad race to attain certain height sooner or later places us in the company of psychiatrist.Now it’s on us to choose between a real spiritual guru or qualified psychiatrist?
At some point of life all views are merely observations.Or ,for that matter, all theories are essence of certain observations.What Wayne is telling is also a certain observation !!
Anyway,strange things are taking place on Instablogs.The arguments given are not in tune with the subject matter.Here too I feel that readers have missed the point I wish to convey.I am merely stating that instead of spending life’s best years in some psychiatric ward, taking anti-depressant pills, isn’t it better that we live a peaceful life with beliefs that give rise to better state of mind.What’s the point in becoming part of rat race to be at the top ?
What’s the point in having king size egos that only crushes dignity and self respect of others in brutal manner ? The road to success in our times means end of possibilities of many other talented souls.If we start treating money as to be God or ultimate goal then be sure you are opening the gates mental hospital !!!
In my eyes such a mad race to attain certain height sooner or later places us in the company of psychiatrist.Now it’s on us to choose between a real spiritual guru or qualified psychiatrist?
(Local Perspectives)
Arvind
I understand what your tying to convey but the truth is that the ones that are nuts can’t make any decision of logic
People don’t sit down and choose, they react to what they were conditioned to react to, by the culture and socity they live in
Most people don’t make any decisions they just follow the norm around them and is why there is and never will be improvement with mindless humans
I understand what your tying to convey but the truth is that the ones that are nuts can’t make any decision of logic
People don’t sit down and choose, they react to what they were conditioned to react to, by the culture and socity they live in
Most people don’t make any decisions they just follow the norm around them and is why there is and never will be improvement with mindless humans
(Global Perspectives)
@Wayne
I agree with your words but we shouldn’t stop trying to mend the ways of lesser souls !!
I agree with your words but we shouldn’t stop trying to mend the ways of lesser souls !!
(Local Perspectives)
@Wayne
Like to present you an interesting contrast.I feel both Nuya and I believe that better changes can be introduced.However,Wayne, you are the one who believe that there can be no ”improvement”.I have to disagree with you on this point.
See what Nuya has said : ” The majority of human beings on the planet are capable of being educated. People used to resist bathing for superstitious reasons too, most were educated out of that mindset by the bubonic plague.
So yea, most refuse to be educated willingly, it takes some disaster to shake them out of their superstitious comas, but it can be done.”
I also mean the same thing when I say :
”I agree with your words but we shouldn’t stop trying to mend the ways of lesser souls !!”
But you believe that ” is why there is and never will be improvement with mindless humans ”
Now if I agree with U won’t it be height of pessimism ? Won’t it mean end of the road for many souls ?
Like to present you an interesting contrast.I feel both Nuya and I believe that better changes can be introduced.However,Wayne, you are the one who believe that there can be no ”improvement”.I have to disagree with you on this point.
See what Nuya has said : ” The majority of human beings on the planet are capable of being educated. People used to resist bathing for superstitious reasons too, most were educated out of that mindset by the bubonic plague.
So yea, most refuse to be educated willingly, it takes some disaster to shake them out of their superstitious comas, but it can be done.”
I also mean the same thing when I say :
”I agree with your words but we shouldn’t stop trying to mend the ways of lesser souls !!”
But you believe that ” is why there is and never will be improvement with mindless humans ”
Now if I agree with U won’t it be height of pessimism ? Won’t it mean end of the road for many souls ?
(Local Perspectives)
Nuya
The way you and i see things in a more common sence way than most doesn’t make us right or heard by the masses because there are too many uncontrollable reasons
I am afraid that your good common sence will only help you and the few around you
Arvind is very intelligent and a good writer but on this one him and i disagree
Nuya -i like the way you think–WAYNE
The way you and i see things in a more common sence way than most doesn’t make us right or heard by the masses because there are too many uncontrollable reasons
I am afraid that your good common sence will only help you and the few around you
Arvind is very intelligent and a good writer but on this one him and i disagree
Nuya -i like the way you think–WAYNE
(Global Perspectives)
@Wayne
I am also great lover of common sense.Let differences between you and me remain as that’s indicative of freedom of thought.
You are the great supporter of freedom of thought ,isn’t it ? Give me my freedom of thought so that I can differ with U !!There is no such thing as ”must” for you.
You also believe that anyone should not be dictated by thoughts of others.So I hope you won’t insist me to find meaning in your words unless I come to find it in my own natural way !!
Only sycophants endorse all the views without offering any resistance.When everything is coming your way, you are probably moving in the wrong lane!!
I am also great lover of common sense.Let differences between you and me remain as that’s indicative of freedom of thought.
You are the great supporter of freedom of thought ,isn’t it ? Give me my freedom of thought so that I can differ with U !!There is no such thing as ”must” for you.
You also believe that anyone should not be dictated by thoughts of others.So I hope you won’t insist me to find meaning in your words unless I come to find it in my own natural way !!
Only sycophants endorse all the views without offering any resistance.When everything is coming your way, you are probably moving in the wrong lane!!
(Local Perspectives)
OK as bad as it pains me, I have to agree with ARVIND on this one. Sort of...
Finding meaning the natural way is done in the Socratic way of teaching.
Maybe we need to adjust our method of teaching. Preaching doesn’t work, appealing to common sense doesn’t work because a lot of people don’t posses any any. The law of natural consequences doesn’t even work most of the time or people would not make the same mistakes over and over. Appealing to a higher authority can be dangerous because some of those authorities can be real nut jobs.
Maybe it is a combination of those things. Maybe some I haven’t thought of.
My favorite way of learning was to learn by doing, but I learned many things by observing others. If they fell on their face, there was no way I was trying it until I analyzed the situation to discover why they failed.
What are your thoughts on this?
Finding meaning the natural way is done in the Socratic way of teaching.
Maybe we need to adjust our method of teaching. Preaching doesn’t work, appealing to common sense doesn’t work because a lot of people don’t posses any any. The law of natural consequences doesn’t even work most of the time or people would not make the same mistakes over and over. Appealing to a higher authority can be dangerous because some of those authorities can be real nut jobs.
Maybe it is a combination of those things. Maybe some I haven’t thought of.
My favorite way of learning was to learn by doing, but I learned many things by observing others. If they fell on their face, there was no way I was trying it until I analyzed the situation to discover why they failed.
What are your thoughts on this?
(Global Perspectives)
@Nuya
” My favorite way of learning was to learn by doing, but I learned many things by observing others. If they fell on their face, there was no way I was trying it until I analyzed the situation to discover why they failed.”
....I also follow the same process.I think the best way to learn is to learn via observations.However, having said that, learning process differs from person to person.
” My favorite way of learning was to learn by doing, but I learned many things by observing others. If they fell on their face, there was no way I was trying it until I analyzed the situation to discover why they failed.”
....I also follow the same process.I think the best way to learn is to learn via observations.However, having said that, learning process differs from person to person.
(Local Perspectives)
@Wayne
”Arvind is very intelligent and a good writer but on this one him and i disagree”
Thanks.And Wayne do you know that your writing is ”thought provoking” highlighting the ”depth” you possess !!
”Arvind is very intelligent and a good writer but on this one him and i disagree”
Thanks.And Wayne do you know that your writing is ”thought provoking” highlighting the ”depth” you possess !!
(Local Perspectives)
@Nuya
”Those so called experts are working from a biased position”
That’s easy way to ignore the reality,to turn a blind eye to greater truth.Well,if anyone is interested in hailing broad daylight as night I cannot but allow that individual to retain his/her ignorance.
Wish to inform you that I also hate so-called experts !! What you have stated here is plain generalization.Well, I have read ancient scriptures and I find that there has always been a very well developed philosophy ,not limited to explain ’natural phenomenon like sunset and changing tides,to explain the mysteries of nature.If there can be change in scientific theories with new set of observations then why can’t religious phenomenons be upgraded to suit the times ? The law of change applies on religious theories as well.
All the experts are not biased.If you think so then that’s simply absurd thought.
”Those so called experts are working from a biased position”
That’s easy way to ignore the reality,to turn a blind eye to greater truth.Well,if anyone is interested in hailing broad daylight as night I cannot but allow that individual to retain his/her ignorance.
Wish to inform you that I also hate so-called experts !! What you have stated here is plain generalization.Well, I have read ancient scriptures and I find that there has always been a very well developed philosophy ,not limited to explain ’natural phenomenon like sunset and changing tides,to explain the mysteries of nature.If there can be change in scientific theories with new set of observations then why can’t religious phenomenons be upgraded to suit the times ? The law of change applies on religious theories as well.
All the experts are not biased.If you think so then that’s simply absurd thought.
(Local Perspectives)
But that is the problem with religion, it is not fluid, it is carved in stone. Philosophy and science are fluid.
Think about it this way, there is a law that says it is ok to make a right turn at a red traffic light... IF you come to a complete stop first AND if there is no traffic coming. That makes sense, but 10 years ago people just sat at the light, holding up the traffic behind them until the light changed. The law was changed and traffic is moving.
There are law makers to change those laws that need changing, there are no gods or prophets to change religious texts, so there is no progress, traffic (human progress)is at a standstill.
Think about it this way, there is a law that says it is ok to make a right turn at a red traffic light... IF you come to a complete stop first AND if there is no traffic coming. That makes sense, but 10 years ago people just sat at the light, holding up the traffic behind them until the light changed. The law was changed and traffic is moving.
There are law makers to change those laws that need changing, there are no gods or prophets to change religious texts, so there is no progress, traffic (human progress)is at a standstill.
(Global Perspectives)
@Nuya
”But that is the problem with religion, it is not fluid, it is carved in stone.”
”Philosophy and science are fluid.”
Nuya you are probably confused and to an extent unaware of the components of religion-the way we perceive it in India or for that matter way it is understood by all the conscious people.
In India there has never been separation of religion from philosophy in a strict sense.The richness and variety Of Indian philosophy in league with Hindu religion (Sanatana Dharma ) makes role of religion dynamic and above rough- and-ready characterization.There is a differentiation but it does not mean divorce or total separation.
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”Whatever else a religion a religion may or may not be,it is essentially a reaching forward to an ideal, without resting in mere belief or outward appearances.It’s distinctive mark is that it serves to further right living; and it’s only in this sense that we can speak of religion as one with philosophy in India.The ancient Indian did not stop short at the discovery of of truth, but strove to realize it in his own experience.He followed up tattva-jnana (self realization), as it is termed, by a strenuous attempt to attain moksha or liberation, which therefore ,and not merely intellectual conviction ,was in view the real goal of philosophy.In words of Max Muller, philosophy was recommended in India not for the sake of knowledge ,but for the highest purpose that man can strive after in this life...In other words,Indian philosophy aims beyond logic.The peculiarity of the view point is to be ascribed to the fact that philosophy in India did not take its rise in wonder or curiosity as it seems to have done in the West.Philosophic endeavor was directed primarily to find a remedy for the ills of life, and the consideration of metaphysical questions came in as matter of course.”
( From ” Outlines Of Indian Philosophy” by M.Hiriyanna ; page 18-19)
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Who told you that religion is carved in stone ? As far as Hinduism is concerned ,I don’t think that’s the case.Yes,the basic tenets of religion like fundamental principles do not change but they are not static.If you view the history of Hindu religion it has always given rise to different schools of thought.To an extent that it has produced philosophies diametrically opposite to the teachings of Vedas-the most scared scriptures of Hindus.Hinduism ,unlike Islam, has been open to wide interpretations.In other words,it’s like Christianity not merely interested in upholding certain rituals.Being governed by ’Darsana’ or Philosophy it’s open to all sorts of interpretations.”These darsanas are described as systems because the thoughts in each are all well co-ordinated and constitute a logical whole.” Hinduism closely interwoven with darsana or philosophy is not content with outward rituals or dull philosophies but it’s mean to convert our intellectual convictions into direct experience.
You also forget that Hindu religion has always produced evolved souls called ”Avataras” at regular intervals to remove wrong elements and make it in tune with times.Apart from that all the scriptures have produced new commentaries written by refined souls that have allowed followers to gain different perspective in tune with the currents of time.That’s why Bhagavad Geeta has so many different commentaries and even today it’s giving rise to new commentaries.
So Nuya I don’t think things have come to ”standstill”,at least not in Hinduism.
”But that is the problem with religion, it is not fluid, it is carved in stone.”
”Philosophy and science are fluid.”
Nuya you are probably confused and to an extent unaware of the components of religion-the way we perceive it in India or for that matter way it is understood by all the conscious people.
In India there has never been separation of religion from philosophy in a strict sense.The richness and variety Of Indian philosophy in league with Hindu religion (Sanatana Dharma ) makes role of religion dynamic and above rough- and-ready characterization.There is a differentiation but it does not mean divorce or total separation.
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”Whatever else a religion a religion may or may not be,it is essentially a reaching forward to an ideal, without resting in mere belief or outward appearances.It’s distinctive mark is that it serves to further right living; and it’s only in this sense that we can speak of religion as one with philosophy in India.The ancient Indian did not stop short at the discovery of of truth, but strove to realize it in his own experience.He followed up tattva-jnana (self realization), as it is termed, by a strenuous attempt to attain moksha or liberation, which therefore ,and not merely intellectual conviction ,was in view the real goal of philosophy.In words of Max Muller, philosophy was recommended in India not for the sake of knowledge ,but for the highest purpose that man can strive after in this life...In other words,Indian philosophy aims beyond logic.The peculiarity of the view point is to be ascribed to the fact that philosophy in India did not take its rise in wonder or curiosity as it seems to have done in the West.Philosophic endeavor was directed primarily to find a remedy for the ills of life, and the consideration of metaphysical questions came in as matter of course.”
( From ” Outlines Of Indian Philosophy” by M.Hiriyanna ; page 18-19)
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Who told you that religion is carved in stone ? As far as Hinduism is concerned ,I don’t think that’s the case.Yes,the basic tenets of religion like fundamental principles do not change but they are not static.If you view the history of Hindu religion it has always given rise to different schools of thought.To an extent that it has produced philosophies diametrically opposite to the teachings of Vedas-the most scared scriptures of Hindus.Hinduism ,unlike Islam, has been open to wide interpretations.In other words,it’s like Christianity not merely interested in upholding certain rituals.Being governed by ’Darsana’ or Philosophy it’s open to all sorts of interpretations.”These darsanas are described as systems because the thoughts in each are all well co-ordinated and constitute a logical whole.” Hinduism closely interwoven with darsana or philosophy is not content with outward rituals or dull philosophies but it’s mean to convert our intellectual convictions into direct experience.
You also forget that Hindu religion has always produced evolved souls called ”Avataras” at regular intervals to remove wrong elements and make it in tune with times.Apart from that all the scriptures have produced new commentaries written by refined souls that have allowed followers to gain different perspective in tune with the currents of time.That’s why Bhagavad Geeta has so many different commentaries and even today it’s giving rise to new commentaries.
So Nuya I don’t think things have come to ”standstill”,at least not in Hinduism.
(Local Perspectives)
Some minor corrections :
1. Yes,the basic tenets of religion like fundamental principles of science do not change but they are not static.
2. In other words, it’s not merely interested,unlike Christianity,in upholding certain rituals.
1. Yes,the basic tenets of religion like fundamental principles of science do not change but they are not static.
2. In other words, it’s not merely interested,unlike Christianity,in upholding certain rituals.
(Local Perspectives)
The point is that religion is superstition and mysticism, nothing more.
Magical thinking never allowed a person to turn into a wolf, or hold back a tidal wave single handily.
There is nothing tangible or relevant in any of it, just smoke and mirrors. It serves no purpose except to frustrate and cause undue anxiety to fallible human beings.
It can easily be replaced with service organizations, social clubs and schools. None of which require magical thinking, unquestioning obedience or are likely to devolve into bloodshed.
Magical thinking never allowed a person to turn into a wolf, or hold back a tidal wave single handily.
There is nothing tangible or relevant in any of it, just smoke and mirrors. It serves no purpose except to frustrate and cause undue anxiety to fallible human beings.
It can easily be replaced with service organizations, social clubs and schools. None of which require magical thinking, unquestioning obedience or are likely to devolve into bloodshed.
(Global Perspectives)
@Nuya
”There is nothing tangible or relevant in any of it, just smoke and mirrors. It serves no purpose except to frustrate and cause undue anxiety to fallible human beings.”
...I don’t think that’s the reality.You need to know more about purpose of religion in human lives.Such sweeping observations are not going to serve any purpose.
” It can easily be replaced with service organizations, social clubs and schools.”
You should know that most of the service organizations and schools are being run by the direct or indirect help of the religious organization.
In my eyes,true religion provides you a better motive to live with.In absence of proper motive,all the service organizations are going to become means to serve self-interest.Most of the NGOs are today working for self-interests rather than working for the harassed souls!!
”There is nothing tangible or relevant in any of it, just smoke and mirrors. It serves no purpose except to frustrate and cause undue anxiety to fallible human beings.”
...I don’t think that’s the reality.You need to know more about purpose of religion in human lives.Such sweeping observations are not going to serve any purpose.
” It can easily be replaced with service organizations, social clubs and schools.”
You should know that most of the service organizations and schools are being run by the direct or indirect help of the religious organization.
In my eyes,true religion provides you a better motive to live with.In absence of proper motive,all the service organizations are going to become means to serve self-interest.Most of the NGOs are today working for self-interests rather than working for the harassed souls!!
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@Nuya
The point is that religion is superstition and mysticism, nothing more.
Einstein loved mysticism,albeit in field of Science.In other words,mysticism is not a bad thing.It allows you to probe phenomenons from wide angles.
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Einstein :
I believe in mystery and, frankly, I sometimes face this mystery with great fear. In other words, I think that there are many things in the universe that we cannot perceive or penetrate and that also we experience some of the most beautiful things in life in only a very primitive form. Only in relation to these mysteries do I consider myself to be a religious man. But I sense these things deeply. What I cannot understand is how there could possibly be a God who would reward or punish his subjects or who could induce us to develop our will in our daily life.
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Einstein :
As I said before, the most beautiful and most profound religious emotion that we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. And this mysticality is the power of all true science. If there is any such concept as a God, it is a subtle spirit, not an image of a man that so many have fixed in their minds. In essence, my religion consists of a humble admiration for this illimitable superior spirit that reveals itself in the slight details that we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds .
http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/bucky.html
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The point is that religion is superstition and mysticism, nothing more.
Einstein loved mysticism,albeit in field of Science.In other words,mysticism is not a bad thing.It allows you to probe phenomenons from wide angles.
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Einstein :
I believe in mystery and, frankly, I sometimes face this mystery with great fear. In other words, I think that there are many things in the universe that we cannot perceive or penetrate and that also we experience some of the most beautiful things in life in only a very primitive form. Only in relation to these mysteries do I consider myself to be a religious man. But I sense these things deeply. What I cannot understand is how there could possibly be a God who would reward or punish his subjects or who could induce us to develop our will in our daily life.
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Einstein :
As I said before, the most beautiful and most profound religious emotion that we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. And this mysticality is the power of all true science. If there is any such concept as a God, it is a subtle spirit, not an image of a man that so many have fixed in their minds. In essence, my religion consists of a humble admiration for this illimitable superior spirit that reveals itself in the slight details that we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds .
http://www.einsteinandreligion.com/bucky.html
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@Wayne
You have stated somewhere that you hate the word”must”.So Wayne, don’t make any view,idea and opinion ”must” for me !!
You have stated somewhere that you hate the word”must”.So Wayne, don’t make any view,idea and opinion ”must” for me !!
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Arvind
Glad i got you fired up and your reasoning to emotion is well thought out and right to the masses
You know i have a way of thinking that isn’t well received by many ,although you are one of the few that can tolerate and reply without telling me that logic can’t be followed by emotion
I told you and others the world of emotion wants to keep humans dizzy and for our short life that is where to be
Sorry to confuse you but remember a mind that is empty of most of the thoughts of other humans is shallow indeed
Glad i got you fired up and your reasoning to emotion is well thought out and right to the masses
You know i have a way of thinking that isn’t well received by many ,although you are one of the few that can tolerate and reply without telling me that logic can’t be followed by emotion
I told you and others the world of emotion wants to keep humans dizzy and for our short life that is where to be
Sorry to confuse you but remember a mind that is empty of most of the thoughts of other humans is shallow indeed
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@Wayne
”You know i have a way of thinking that isn’t well received by many ,although you are one of the few that can tolerate and reply without telling me that logic can’t be followed by emotion”
I have a place for all kinds of thoughts,ideas and beliefs unless they are absolutely devoid of substance!!!
”You know i have a way of thinking that isn’t well received by many ,although you are one of the few that can tolerate and reply without telling me that logic can’t be followed by emotion”
I have a place for all kinds of thoughts,ideas and beliefs unless they are absolutely devoid of substance!!!
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Arvind
I stated many times life is an illusion made up by the fewer so called conscious and seeing how no one is ever one, than nothing i say or do means anything to the universal knowing
I can’t talk logic to a world of emotion so i have to say what a lot of humans like to hear, but thats not my mind ,thats the combination of others talking
I like the way Nuya thinks ,but i don’t agree with some of her thoughts though she seems more logical than most and i wouldn’t want to hurt her feelings
Some here ,i don’t mind telling them as it is because they have no feelings like –Marco and micheal
I stated many times life is an illusion made up by the fewer so called conscious and seeing how no one is ever one, than nothing i say or do means anything to the universal knowing
I can’t talk logic to a world of emotion so i have to say what a lot of humans like to hear, but thats not my mind ,thats the combination of others talking
I like the way Nuya thinks ,but i don’t agree with some of her thoughts though she seems more logical than most and i wouldn’t want to hurt her feelings
Some here ,i don’t mind telling them as it is because they have no feelings like –Marco and micheal
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@Wayne
” I can’t talk logic to a world of emotion so i have to say what a lot of humans like to hear, but that’s not my mind ,that’s the combination of others talking”
....So if you can change your thought process to be at par with existing patterns then why are you not allowing the others to do so ?
May be ,like you, I also may be hiding my real thoughts and saying all that which do not represent me but still saying them to honour the current pattern of thought.
” I can’t talk logic to a world of emotion so i have to say what a lot of humans like to hear, but that’s not my mind ,that’s the combination of others talking”
....So if you can change your thought process to be at par with existing patterns then why are you not allowing the others to do so ?
May be ,like you, I also may be hiding my real thoughts and saying all that which do not represent me but still saying them to honour the current pattern of thought.
(Local Perspectives)
:) Thanks Wayne, I don’t bruise easily and I would much rather hear what you really think. If it is a view that differs from my own then I can file it with the other information I have already acquired and formulate a more seasoned opinion.
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Arvind
I have no problem with anyone thinking or believing what they can conceive or interpret from things around them
If you can break away from most of earths influences than i am glad because i never met another human that spent the time and concentration to do so –it goes against nature
be well–wayne
I have no problem with anyone thinking or believing what they can conceive or interpret from things around them
If you can break away from most of earths influences than i am glad because i never met another human that spent the time and concentration to do so –it goes against nature
be well–wayne
(Global Perspectives)
If you come to realize that life is an illusion, then that means death of earthly influences as they too turn into illusions.All illusions are unreal,isn’t it ? To rise above these influences we need to realize that everything around us is byproduct of ignorance.Once that takes place it’s then child’s play to kill the influences.
(Local Perspectives)
Spiritual beliefs may be better than anti-depressants in some circumstances, but the overwhelming flow of new research shows that exercise is one of the best methods of treatment of depression. Just last week, I heard a study that showed a strong correlation between the waste-line of an individual and their depression.
To anyone out there with depression, seek some help because there are solutions.
To anyone out there with depression, seek some help because there are solutions.
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@Sydney
Thanks for your visit and view. Depression affects mind.Any exercise that changes breathing patterns is bound to bring peace within.
Anyway, it’s better you suggest some other ways to cure depression.The most effective in my eyes is to not let bad/negative thoughts rule the roost in times of crisis.
Thanks for your visit and view. Depression affects mind.Any exercise that changes breathing patterns is bound to bring peace within.
Anyway, it’s better you suggest some other ways to cure depression.The most effective in my eyes is to not let bad/negative thoughts rule the roost in times of crisis.
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So true Sydney, the simple act of getting up and doing something, anything constructive that takes the mind away from ruminating fears and anxieties, probably helps a lot.
I can also see how there can be a correlation between waistline and depression, the healthier you are the better you feel, physically and mentally.
Even moderate exercise causes an endorphin response, and many anti-depressants mimic that response, so that makes sense.
Yes, people should seek help for depression, it is not a weakness to ask for help, it is often the bravest thing a person can do.
I can also see how there can be a correlation between waistline and depression, the healthier you are the better you feel, physically and mentally.
Even moderate exercise causes an endorphin response, and many anti-depressants mimic that response, so that makes sense.
Yes, people should seek help for depression, it is not a weakness to ask for help, it is often the bravest thing a person can do.
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@Nuya
Our efforts should be not to let depression enter in our lives at all.That’s not happening.We are creating conflicts of all sorts,which are creating depression.In other words,why are we relying more and more on psychologists ?
Company of spiritual guru is better than company of psychologist.No depression.No psychologist.That’s should be the aim of all religions in modern times.
Our efforts should be not to let depression enter in our lives at all.That’s not happening.We are creating conflicts of all sorts,which are creating depression.In other words,why are we relying more and more on psychologists ?
Company of spiritual guru is better than company of psychologist.No depression.No psychologist.That’s should be the aim of all religions in modern times.
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Arvind
It is hard to explain an understanding of a way of thought unless you go through the same thought
The illusion of live that the fewer conscious make up is of no importance to the majority that never got to be influenced into the craziness
The majority must have importance to the conscious universe or all life would be conscious of what we think is something of knowing
Arvind if you don’t die quick just before you die you will know what i mean
Arvind thanks for trying to think as i do so you can try to analyze my thoughts
BE well– wayne–you are one determined thinker–very rare
It is hard to explain an understanding of a way of thought unless you go through the same thought
The illusion of live that the fewer conscious make up is of no importance to the majority that never got to be influenced into the craziness
The majority must have importance to the conscious universe or all life would be conscious of what we think is something of knowing
Arvind if you don’t die quick just before you die you will know what i mean
Arvind thanks for trying to think as i do so you can try to analyze my thoughts
BE well– wayne–you are one determined thinker–very rare
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@Wayne
”It is hard to explain an understanding of a way of thought unless you go through the same thought”
..Yes, only man who has felt pain is going to feel the pain of other souls.
” BE well– wayne–you are one determined thinker–very rare”
..Thanks Once Again.Think of you the same way.
”It is hard to explain an understanding of a way of thought unless you go through the same thought”
..Yes, only man who has felt pain is going to feel the pain of other souls.
” BE well– wayne–you are one determined thinker–very rare”
..Thanks Once Again.Think of you the same way.
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Nuya
Sorry i wasn’t trying to be condescending ,but my way of thinking doesn’t make many want to hear me ,and i respect the way you think and wouldn’t want you to dislike what i write because of my views being so far away from mainstream brainwashing
There are some here with no feeling and those who cares –but some like you ,it makes it hard for me to tell truth the way i found it over many years of trying to face truth as the illusion it is
Noting i say or think is anymore real than anyone else because of the illusion of consciousness
Take care –wayne
Sorry i wasn’t trying to be condescending ,but my way of thinking doesn’t make many want to hear me ,and i respect the way you think and wouldn’t want you to dislike what i write because of my views being so far away from mainstream brainwashing
There are some here with no feeling and those who cares –but some like you ,it makes it hard for me to tell truth the way i found it over many years of trying to face truth as the illusion it is
Noting i say or think is anymore real than anyone else because of the illusion of consciousness
Take care –wayne
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No, I didn’t take it as condescension at all. Debate, dialogue, discussion are all invaluable learning tools. My perceptions are always evolving because of interactions with new people, new situations and new information.
My views are sometimes left of center as well. You can categorize me as quasi-Bohemian, rejecting social norms but continuing to bathe! LOL!
Humanity, art, truth and knowledge are much more important to me than material wealth or social standing. This attitude of mine has sometimes closed doors to me that would have been thrown wide open if only I had resorted to feigning allegiance to the company line.
I absolutely do not tolerate racism, sexism, age-ism etc. as these conditions are intrinsic and unalterable, but when it comes to things people have a choice about....I am very opinionated. I don’t make choices without careful consideration and using all information available to me to analyze the possible consequences of those choices. I don’t expect any less of anyone else.
That mainstream brainwashing that you speak of is a perfect example, as it is the polar opposite of enlightenment, thus a hindrance and a danger to the evolution of humanity, art, truth and knowledge.
You know what Descartes said about the illusion of consciousness? ”I think therefore I am.” Keep thinking and keep sharing.
Hugz
My views are sometimes left of center as well. You can categorize me as quasi-Bohemian, rejecting social norms but continuing to bathe! LOL!
Humanity, art, truth and knowledge are much more important to me than material wealth or social standing. This attitude of mine has sometimes closed doors to me that would have been thrown wide open if only I had resorted to feigning allegiance to the company line.
I absolutely do not tolerate racism, sexism, age-ism etc. as these conditions are intrinsic and unalterable, but when it comes to things people have a choice about....I am very opinionated. I don’t make choices without careful consideration and using all information available to me to analyze the possible consequences of those choices. I don’t expect any less of anyone else.
That mainstream brainwashing that you speak of is a perfect example, as it is the polar opposite of enlightenment, thus a hindrance and a danger to the evolution of humanity, art, truth and knowledge.
You know what Descartes said about the illusion of consciousness? ”I think therefore I am.” Keep thinking and keep sharing.
Hugz
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@Nuya
”Debate, dialogue, discussion are all invaluable learning tools.”
....Let’s make these learning tools integral part of our lives.Sadly,today we have become closed mind of sorts and maintained great distance from these ” learning tools ”
”Humanity, art, truth and knowledge are much more important to me than material wealth or social standing.”
Glad to know that.I ,too, endorse their importance.
”Debate, dialogue, discussion are all invaluable learning tools.”
....Let’s make these learning tools integral part of our lives.Sadly,today we have become closed mind of sorts and maintained great distance from these ” learning tools ”
”Humanity, art, truth and knowledge are much more important to me than material wealth or social standing.”
Glad to know that.I ,too, endorse their importance.
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Nuya
Thanks for your views on how you see the world and things around you
It will make it easier for me to address your posts with my honesty-even if wrong
Like i said before i like your struggle to think for yourself
Have a good day and be well –WAYNE
Thanks for your views on how you see the world and things around you
It will make it easier for me to address your posts with my honesty-even if wrong
Like i said before i like your struggle to think for yourself
Have a good day and be well –WAYNE
(Global Perspectives)
Spirituality can help, but with serious depression I think you have to have drugs.
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@Annaly
Thanks for dropping by.Yes,I agree with your views.
In serious cases,you have to take the help of drugs.But why let the situation go out of control?The drugs only suppress the symptoms.They cannot heal you.In my eyes,the combination of both drugs and spirituality can work wonders.
But let’s follow a lifestyle that keeps depression at bay.Early contact with spirituality will be just like ”prevention is better than cure” !!
Thanks for dropping by.Yes,I agree with your views.
In serious cases,you have to take the help of drugs.But why let the situation go out of control?The drugs only suppress the symptoms.They cannot heal you.In my eyes,the combination of both drugs and spirituality can work wonders.
But let’s follow a lifestyle that keeps depression at bay.Early contact with spirituality will be just like ”prevention is better than cure” !!
(Local Perspectives)
Yes, depression and just sadness are two different things. Clinical depression is caused by a hormone imbalance or chemical imbalance and no amount of praying will replace Lithium or serotonin or whatever it is that needs replacing. Waiting and praying it will go away can actually be dangerous with an increase in the risk of suicide and manic behaviors.
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@Nuya
Never let the precious life fall in the company of drugs etc.A life resting on sound positive beliefs rarely enters in the domain of drugs.
Never let the precious life fall in the company of drugs etc.A life resting on sound positive beliefs rarely enters in the domain of drugs.
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Arvind,
Those aren’t drugs, they are hormones and minerals that the body naturally has but has somehow become deficient of. It is like insulin for diabetics, it is just something that needs to be replaced.
People without a care in the world can become depressed if their body stops producing certain hormones, or stops getting certain minerals from the food they eat.
Those aren’t drugs, they are hormones and minerals that the body naturally has but has somehow become deficient of. It is like insulin for diabetics, it is just something that needs to be replaced.
People without a care in the world can become depressed if their body stops producing certain hormones, or stops getting certain minerals from the food they eat.
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@Nuya
Your ”hormonal” explanation is fine.However,it still cannot undermine the importance of life in the company of spiritual beliefs.Loving oranges,tomatoes and Lemon will be more beneficial than flirting with silly Vitamin C tablet!!
Your ”hormonal” explanation is fine.However,it still cannot undermine the importance of life in the company of spiritual beliefs.Loving oranges,tomatoes and Lemon will be more beneficial than flirting with silly Vitamin C tablet!!
(Local Perspectives)
@Arvind Very true. I do think depression has a spiritual core.
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@Magali
Thanks for your views.
I am of the opinion that flirting with spiritual beliefs is of greater benefit than flirting with anti-depressants of all types.A perfect healing is possible only via spiritual route!!
Keep visiting.
Thanks for your views.
I am of the opinion that flirting with spiritual beliefs is of greater benefit than flirting with anti-depressants of all types.A perfect healing is possible only via spiritual route!!
Keep visiting.
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What to do when spiritual beliefs cause the stress?
My dear friend prescription must be wrong.One must be taking the wrong medicine if it’s producing the wrong effects.Can U quote some spiritual beliefs that have turned into source of stress ?